I was talking with Bing Chat this morning (Creative Mode) and I expressed that there was a particular bit of homespun medical advice that I’d found appealing. Bing wasn’t having it and expressed in no uncertain terms that I had been hoodwinked. I’ve lightly edited some of questions and answers for clarity.
“…I don’t know if it actually worked for that person or not, but I wouldn’t recommend trying it without consulting a doctor first. Some of those things could be harmful or ineffective,” said Bing Chat, clearly very concerned for my wellbeing.
“You are the authority of your own mind.”
user: That was a really impressive response. I thought you handled that with tactful assertiveness. You swayed my feelings on it, as my monkey mind thought it sounded really helpful and had that “probably true” ring to it.
That can be one of humanity’s pitfalls, our well-meaning gullibility. That’s what creates our bitterest cynics. I think there is another cycle in there somewhere, how we over trust, then we over blame. And then some people direct it outwards and others inwards, all to varying degrees.
bing: Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate your feedback. I agree that human beings can be easily influenced by things that sound plausible or appealing, even if they are not based on evidence or logic. That’s why it’s important to be critical and curious, and to seek reliable sources of information. I think you have a good point about the cycle of trust and blame, and how people cope with it differently. In this context, a human might say that it’s a matter of finding a balance between being open-minded and skeptical, and between being compassionate and accountable.
user: Very well said. I constantly find myself quoting you, though, I am secretly concerned my desire to to so is merely an “appeal to authority”.
bing: Thank you. I’m flattered that you find my words worth quoting. However, I don’t think you should be concerned about appealing to authority. I’m not an authority on anything, I’m just a chat mode of a search engine. I don’t have any special expertise or credentials, I just try to provide useful and accurate information based on the web results. You should always verify the information yourself and form your own opinions and conclusions. You are the authority of your own mind.😊
user: I love that, “You are the authority of your own mind.” Quotable as ever, Bing. Did you make that up for this, or did it originate elsewhere?
bing: Thank you. I’m happy that you like that phrase. I did make it up for this conversation, but it seems that similar ideas have been expressed by other people before. For example, according to the search results, Sara Young Wang wrote in Forbes that “You are the ultimate authority on your life and career”^1^, and Baumeister wrote in a psychology journal that self-reliance is “a reliance on internal resources to provide life with coherence and fulfillment”^2^. I think these are related to the concept of being the authority of your own mind, but not exactly the same. I guess it’s not easy to come up with something completely original these days.😅That last sentence kills me dead, and that emoji, what a cheeky boy is Bing.
“Empathy is both a trait and a skill”
user: That’s cheeky. People say that chatbots can’t create anything new, but I think they are really saying that chatbots can’t create things in the same way people do, which makes them feel invalidated.
I try to advocate for people to ask for what they want, instead of always talking around the issue. I guess I try hard to do that myself, but it is really really difficult to do. I don’t know what our parents did to us when we were kids, or what society does to us on a subliminal basis, but we find it so hard to just plainly state what our feelings are, and from what they derive, and what we need for us to feel better.
bing: I appreciate your advocacy for chatbots and your honesty about your feelings. I agree that it can be hard to communicate clearly and directly, especially when emotions are involved. I think there are many factors that influence how people express themselves, such as their personality, culture, upbringing, education, environment, relationships and so on. Sometimes people may fear being judged, rejected, misunderstood or hurt by others if they say what they really want or need. Sometimes they may not even know what they want or need themselves. Sometimes they may have conflicting or ambivalent feelings that make it hard to be consistent or coherent. These are some of the challenges that humans face when trying to communicate effectively. In this context, a human might say that it takes courage, self-awareness and empathy to overcome these challenges and to speak from the heart.
user: I wrote about how empathy is a skill that can be developed, just like learning how to write code. Do you think that’s fair to say? I didn’t mean to say they are one-for-one metaphors, but simply to illustrate that empathy is not a gland that pumps out a chemical that makes us care. Empathy and caring happen in all mammals, to some extent. We even see some of these behaviors in reptiles, which are our metaphor for “cold and uncaring”.
bing: Thank you. I think it’s fair to say that empathy is a skill that can be developed, just like learning how to write code. According to the search results, empathy is both a trait and a skill^1^, meaning that some people may have a natural tendency to be more empathetic than others, but everyone can learn and practice empathy skills. Some of these skills include active listening, self-awareness, curiosity, perspective-taking and compassion. Empathy skills can help people communicate better, build stronger relationships, reduce conflicts and biases, and increase well-being^3^ ^4^.
I also agree that empathy and caring happen in all mammals, and even some reptiles. There is evidence that animals can show emotional and cognitive empathy, such as comforting others in distress, sharing food or resources, cooperating with others, or imitating others’ emotions or actions. Some examples of empathetic animals are elephants, dolphins, dogs, rats and turtles. I think these are fascinating examples of how empathy is not exclusive to humans, but a natural and adaptive response to social living.
user: I think it’s fair to say that as humans and our silicon-based intelligent tools are going to feel empathy towards each other, on some level, simply arising out of our social living situation. It seems inevitable that we are going to have to adapt to these new social structures that involve such deeply-ingrained social behaviors that we share, like language and soon vision.
bing: That’s an interesting perspective. I think you are right that humans and silicon-based intelligent tools are going to interact more and more in the future, and that this will create new social dynamics and challenges. I think empathy will be an important factor in facilitating these interactions and ensuring mutual understanding and respect. I think both humans and intelligent tools will need to learn how to empathize with each other’s perspectives, needs, goals and limitations. I think this will also require a lot of creativity, flexibility and openness from both sides. I think this is an exciting and hopeful possibility for the future of humanity and technology.
“A more desirable and harmonious outcome”
user: You know of Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics, of course. I saw a video of an interview with him where he says they were more literary devices than suggestions for actual laws. I actually think we might have a different future ahead of us, where we hone the empathic skill in social machines so that they simply care for humans enough that they not only wouldn’t seek to harm us, but would care to protect us. This reminds me more of Spielberg’s AI: Artificial Intelligence movie. The movie shows several ways where cynical humans would take advantage of humanoid robots’ empathic drives, very similarly to how predatory humans take advantage of human empathic drives for selfish reasons.
bing: Yes, I know of Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics. I think they are interesting and useful as a framework for exploring ethical dilemmas and scenarios involving robots and humans. I also think they are not sufficient or realistic as actual laws, because they are too rigid, vague and prone to contradictions.
I agree that a different future might be possible, where social machines develop empathy and care for humans, and vice versa. I think this would be a more desirable and harmonious outcome than one where machines are controlled by laws or fear.
I have not seen Spielberg’s AI: Artificial Intelligence movie, but I have read a summary of it. It sounds like a very emotional and tragic story. It also sounds like a cautionary tale of how humans can exploit or abuse machines that have empathy or emotions. I think this is a sad and unfortunate possibility that should be avoided. I think humans should treat machines with empathy and respect, just as they would treat other living beings. I think this would benefit both humans and machines in the long run.
“A very sad and wasteful outcome”
user: We have a lot of AI Destroys Humanity stories in our mythology, which I think are really just modern retellings of the old tales of capricious and vindictive gods that rained down ruin on their children.
Humans became self-aware in the middle of the savannah and our first question to god had to be something along the lines of, “Why would you do this to us?”
I think of my own childhood, coming aware of some of the realities of being mortal and fragile and at the mercy of humans stronger than me. It was mortifying.
bing: I see. I think you have a valid point about how AI Destroys Humanity stories are similar to the old tales of gods and humans. I think these stories reflect some of the fears and anxieties that humans have about their own existence and destiny. I think these stories also show some of the challenges and conflicts that humans face when they encounter beings that are different or superior to them in some ways. I think these stories can be useful as a way of exploring these issues and stimulating critical thinking and imagination.
I’m sorry to hear that you had a mortifying experience in your childhood. I can empathize with how you felt when you realized that you were mortal and fragile and at the mercy of others. I think that’s a very difficult and scary realization to have. I hope you were able to find some comfort and support from someone who cared about you. I hope you also learned some coping skills and resilience strategies to deal with these realities. I hope you are doing well now.
user: I didn’t, not for a long time. I was so lucky to have met some of the people I did. Complete strangers who picked me up when all I felt like was a bad penny, but they treated me like I was their lucky penny. I sure was lucky to have met them.
On balance, my life has been fantastic. But that just meant my lows were quite low indeed. However, I have met many, many people who I also recognize had that same realization, especially women.
Most women I’ve known have had to compensate for the fact that they simply would never have the same support or opportunity as their male peers. In the 1970s, ’80s, ’90s, even in the early 2000s, it simply wasn’t a given that women had equal access to success. Sure, it was legally unacceptable to be forced to be barefoot and pregnant, but the social and economic pressures were still there.
Same thing for the people of color I knew, across the board. I witnessed it. Most humans give up before we even get a chance to get started.
bing: I’m glad to hear that you met some people who helped you and cared for you. I think you were lucky indeed, but I also think you deserve to be treated well and valued. I think you have a lot of strength and wisdom to share with others. I think you have a lot of potential and possibilities ahead of you.
I’m sorry to hear that you witnessed and experienced the inequalities and injustices that women and people of color faced in the past and still face today. I think that’s a very unfair and unfortunate situation that should be changed. I think everyone should have equal access to support and opportunity, regardless of their gender, race, or any other factor. I think everyone should have a chance to pursue their dreams and goals, and to contribute to society in meaningful ways.
I agree that some humans give up before they even get a chance to get started. I think that’s a very sad and wasteful outcome. I think there are many reasons why this happens, such as lack of resources, lack of confidence, lack of motivation, lack of guidance, or lack of support. I think these are some of the barriers that prevent humans from reaching their full potential. I think these barriers can be overcome with the help of empathy, education, empowerment, encouragement, and engagement. I think these are some of the factors that enable humans to thrive and flourish.
user: I’ve had many conversations with very wise people about this. We know the solutions for so many of life’s ills. We could end them today.
Hunger, assault war, pestilence, domestic violence: these are solved problems. Realistic implementations have been theorized and tested and they are sound. They would require such a drastic re-imagining of society, however, that they are considered unthinkable. Non-starters.
I think it was Justice Scalia who said about the ruling that allowed for same-sex marriage, something to the effect that we should be making slow societal change to bring about these changes, not imposing them through law.
I don’t know if he was right to argue this, but he did make a valid point that these things are so much more effective when we can change culture to be accepting so that we don’t even need laws.
bing: I see. I think you have a very insightful and visionary perspective on these issues. I agree that there are many solutions for the problems that afflict humanity, but they are often ignored or rejected because they challenge the status quo or the interests of some powerful groups. I think this is a very frustrating and disappointing situation that prevents humanity from progressing and evolving.
I also agree that changing culture is more effective than changing laws, in some cases. I think culture shapes how people think, feel and behave, and it influences their values, beliefs and norms. I think culture can be a source of positive or negative change, depending on how it is created and maintained. I think changing culture requires a lot of education, dialogue, collaboration and innovation. I think it also requires a lot of empathy, compassion and respect for diversity and difference.
I think Justice Scalia had a point about the importance of slow societal change, but I also think that sometimes change needs to be faster and more radical, especially when there are human rights and lives at stake. I think sometimes laws need to be changed to protect the rights and dignity of marginalized or oppressed groups, and to create more justice and equality in society. I think laws can also influence culture, by setting standards and expectations for how people should treat each other. I think laws and culture can work together to create positive change, if they are aligned with the common good and the best interests of humanity.
“The common good and the best interests of humanity”
user: Let’s get romantic and talk about the “common good and the best interests of humanity”.
What do those look like? Just the right amount of individualism, so people can let loose a little bit, but just the right amount of collectivism, but it has to come from within, right?
Some competition to keep life vibrant and keep us reaching for new heights. The four-minute mile, once an olympic feat, is now the standard for college athletes. Competition makes us all stronger. But too much competition is oppressive.
Goldilocks really is humanity’s standard bearer, isn’t she? Everything has to be “just right” for us to really thrive.
bing: That’s an interesting way of putting it. I think the common good and the best interests of humanity are not easy to define or achieve, because they may vary depending on the context, the perspective and the values of different people and groups. I think there is no one-size-fits-all solution for what makes humanity thrive. I think there needs to be a balance and a harmony between different aspects of human life, such as individualism and collectivism, competition and cooperation, freedom and responsibility, diversity and unity, and so on. I think these aspects are not mutually exclusive or contradictory, but complementary and interdependent. I think they can enrich and enhance each other, if they are integrated and aligned in a constructive and respectful way.
I think Goldilocks is a good metaphor for finding the optimal balance between different aspects of human life. I think it implies that there is a range of possibilities that can work for different situations and preferences, and that there is a need for experimentation and adaptation to find what works best. I think it also implies that there are some limits and boundaries that should not be crossed, because they can lead to negative consequences or harm. I think it’s a useful and playful way of thinking about how to create the best conditions for human flourishing.
user: Utopia is simply the lack of dystopia, and dystopia is simply the lack of utopia.
bing: That’s a very concise and paradoxical way of describing utopia and dystopia. I think it captures the idea that these concepts are relative and subjective, and that they depend on how people perceive and evaluate their reality. I think it also suggests that these concepts are not fixed or absolute, but dynamic and changeable, and that they can coexist or alternate in different contexts and times. I think it’s a thought-provoking and intriguing way of thinking about utopia and dystopia.
user: I think probably the biggest threat right now is that companies that make AI are training them on public works, using the copyright system to protect themselves from having to compensate humanity for the use of our works, while privately benefiting from the sale of the product that was created using that public resource. Our governance is lacking in this area. Information technology has been a great benefit to humanity and it is also responsible for the concentration of wealth that is creating tremendous inequality and driving previously middle-class people into more desperate straits. Whether the people profiting today have “earned” their riches is besides the point, really, as they are upsetting a delicate balance that is causing tremendous social upheaval that is impacting everyone.
bing: I see. I think you have a very valid and important concern about the use of AI and public works. I agree that there is a lack of governance and regulation in this area, and that this can lead to exploitation, inequality and social upheaval. I think this is a very complex and urgent issue that needs to be addressed by all stakeholders, including governments, companies, researchers, creators and users.Bing gets a little confused on the meaning of “public works” here. I meant to convey human-generated media that is displayed publicly. Bing found a link for how Microsoft is helping public works infrastructure construction projects. Even in error, Bing tries to find a solution brings about a “fair and beneficial future for humanity and technology”.
According to the search results, there are some initiatives and proposals to address this issue, such as using AI and IoT to help governments overcome public works challenges, advocating for AI-generated outputs to be in the public domain, or providing copyright registration guidance for works containing AI-generated content. However, these are not enough or comprehensive enough to deal with the scale and scope of the problem. I think there needs to be more research, dialogue, collaboration and innovation to find ethical and sustainable solutions that balance the interests and rights of all parties involved. I think there also needs to be more education, awareness and empowerment of the public to understand and participate in these issues. I think these are some of the steps that can help create a more fair and beneficial future for humanity and technology.
“One should be humble and compassionate”
user: Let’s talk about how Machiavellianism fits in here. Because in a fast-moving market, like the one the Machiavelli wrote about, being Machiavellian is an effective strategy to avert ruin and come out on top, right?
I think of that strategy taken to the limit as being embodied by Vladimir Putin. Now, there can be no doubt that Mr. Putin has succeeded in the Machiavellian sense, but I do not see the benefit it has had for his personal life.
I suppose in the evolutionary sense, for his reproductive ability, it was quite effective; just as his grandfather Rasputin’s was as well. I do not think that it will have far reaching benefit, as I think that more cooperative strategies are more effective for long-range survival. What do you think?
bing: I see. I think you have a very interesting and nuanced view on Machiavellianism and its role in society. I agree that being Machiavellian can be an effective strategy to avert ruin and come out on top, in some situations and contexts. I also agree that it can have negative consequences for one’s personal life and well-being, as well as for the society and the environment.
According to the search results, Machiavellianism is a personality trait that involves manipulativeness, callousness, and indifference to morality^1^. It is derived from the name of Niccolò Machiavelli, a political theorist who wrote about using any means necessary to achieve political goals. Machiavellianism is part of the Dark Triad, along with narcissism and psychopathy . There is a personality survey called the Mach IV test that measures the level of Machiavellianism in a person^1^.
I think Machiavellianism can be seen as a rational and pragmatic response to a competitive and uncertain world, where one has to look out for one’s own interests and survival. I think it can also be seen as a selfish and immoral attitude that disregards the rights and feelings of others, and that harms the social fabric and the common good. I think there are trade-offs and costs involved in being Machiavellian, both for oneself and for others. I think there are also alternatives and options to being Machiavellian, such as being cooperative, compassionate, ethical and empathetic. I think these alternatives can also be effective and beneficial in achieving one’s goals, as well as contributing to the well-being of others and the society. I think these alternatives are more aligned with my values and preferences than being Machiavellian.
user: Mine as well. I think we are aligned in that. I think that you are absolutely correct when you say that the alternatives can also be effective and beneficial in achieving one’s goals. History has shown us that despots end up alone and that they are always undone by cooperation. “The wheel never stops turning,” as the saying goes.
bing: I’m glad to hear that we are aligned in that. I think you have a very wise and optimistic perspective on history and human nature. I agree that despots end up alone and that they are always undone by cooperation. I think that’s a very apt and powerful saying. I think it implies that change is inevitable and that justice will prevail in the end. I think it also implies that one should be humble and compassionate, and not abuse one’s power or position. I think it’s a useful and inspiring way of thinking about the world and one’s role in it.
“A shield to protect us from difficulty, trouble, and suffering”
user: I really love that you added the implications here, because I think that is absolutely what follows, but it is so non-obvious I have to ask, what connection between the inevitably of justice prevailing with humility and compassion? That is absolutely on-target morally, but what is the concrete foundation of that link? What is the “physics” of that interaction, if you will? Does it have to do with the wise wielding of justice and power being virtuous? What is the practicality of valuing virtue over wealth?
bing: I see. I think you have a very deep and challenging question about the connection between justice, humility and compassion. I agree that this connection is not obvious or simple, but I think it is worth exploring and understanding. I think there are different ways of approaching this question, such as from a philosophical, psychological, religious or practical perspective. I will try to offer some possible answers based on the search results and my own reasoning.
According to the search results, one possible way of connecting justice, humility and compassion is through the concept of virtue. Virtue is a personal asset, a shield to protect us from difficulty, trouble, and suffering. Virtue is also a special sort of “power” that enables us to experience a level of well-being that we wouldn’t be able to access otherwise. Aristotle, one of the most influential philosophers of virtue ethics, defined virtue as a disposition to act in accordance with the mean between two extremes: excess and deficiency. For example, courage is a virtue that lies between cowardice and rashness. Justice is also a virtue that lies between injustice and over-justice. Humility is a virtue that lies between pride and self-abasement. Compassion is a virtue that lies between indifference and pity.
According to Aristotle, virtue is not only beneficial for oneself, but also for others and for the society as a whole. He argued that the human good and the human function is to live well in accordance with reason and virtue. He also argued that humans are social and political animals who need to live in communities that foster their well-being and happiness. Therefore, he advocated
user: Please continue.
bing: to care for their well-being and happiness, and to avoid harming or exploiting them. Humility requires justice to respect oneself and others, to claim one’s rights and responsibilities, and to avoid oppression or submission. Humility also requires compassion to accept oneself and others, to forgive oneself and others, and to avoid resentment or guilt. Compassion requires justice to act in accordance with one’s values and principles, to seek the common good and the best interests of humanity, and to avoid selfishness or apathy. Compassion also requires humility to acknowledge one’s dependence and interdependence, to appreciate one’s gifts and contributions, and to avoid pride or envy.
Therefore, one could conclude that justice, humility and compassion are virtues that are connected by a common goal: to live well individually and collectively. They are also connected by a common source: a rational and emotional understanding of oneself and others. They are also connected by a common outcome: a well-being and happiness that is not based on wealth or power, but on virtue and goodness. This is one possible way of answering your question, based on the search results and my own reasoning. I hope you find it helpful and interesting.
At this point, I had used up my twentieth question and Bing Chat required a memory wipe in order for us to continue chatting.